Xin việc industry: Ph.D vs 5-year experience, cái nào mạnh hơn?

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    Advantages and disadvantages of a PhD title?

    Mối e ngại của một số người rằng, vì mình có bằng PhD, tức là overqualify cho cái job requirement, nên mình có thể ít cơ hội hơn nếu đi tìm tech jobs. Quan quan sát vài năm gần đây tôi nhận thấy PhDs nước ngoài (thường là người Châu Á) vẫn kiếm việc làm dễ hơn so với người Mỹ chỉ có bằng đại học + ÍT kinh nghiệm, ít nhất là trong ngành CS và các ngành Engineering.

    Nếu so sánh người nước ngoài có bằng PhD và người có bằng master khi cùng apply tech jobs thì tôi không thể nói được gì, không rõ ai mạnh ai yếu hơn ai. Tạm cho là bằng nhau. Lúc đó cần phải so sánh những yếu tố khác: kinh nghiệm làm việc, tiếng Anh/social skills, professional certification, school's reputation,...Nhà tuyển dụng thường cho rằng người nước ngoài làm việc chăm chỉ hơn, yêu cầu lương/benefits thấp hơn, không phải là troublemakers

    Nếu thấy muốn/cần phải tìm việc tech jobs, mọi người cân nhắc thi những chứng chỉ chuyên môn: Linux, MS, IBM, CISCO, PMP, CISSP, Oracle... Hiện nay các job database thường tìm theo những keywords là những chứng chỉ chuyên môn để lọc bớt các ứng cử viên.

    Khi xin việc không thể loại trừ yếu tố văn hóa từng nước, từng industry, từng công ty. Cần phải biết cụ thể những vấn đề này để thành công hơn. Sau đây là trao đổi trên mạng của một số người từ Châu Âu và Australia về bằng PhD và tech jobs.

    ĐCB.

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    Advantages and disadvantages of a PhD title. Generally, and particularly in Australia

    il444
    21.Nov.2006 16:56 hrs
    I will soon graduate from TUM with a Master of Computer Science degree. So now there is a difficult choice: to start working in the industry, or to do a PhD. I heard that in Germany a PhD title brings certain benefits.

    How is it in English speaking countries, e.g. UK and Australia. Is it easier to find a good job if you are a PhD, will you get paid more?

    Personally I would like to work in a company, yet performing research and development oriented activities.
    Panama
    21.Nov.2006 16:59 hrs
    start looking for a job!!
    Scogs
    21.Nov.2006 17:03 hrs
    there are pros and cons, I took mine over 25 years ago and it doesn't even appear on my CV any more, but when I started in my career it was high on the CV and got me at least 2 or 3 places up the ladder in jobs. down side you are older entering the jobs market
    brokenm
    21.Nov.2006 17:15 hrs
    I don't think that you should expect to be paid more, but after you work for a few years the road to management is much easier with the combination of title and experience. But the initial position will be hard to find.
    Oleron
    21.Nov.2006 17:20 hrs
    You could always get your PhD in Australia after a couple of years working. Going back to university for better qualifications seems quite popular there...
    il444
    21.Nov.2006 17:38 hrs
    That is true. Yet I really want to stay in Germany for 2-3 years before going somewhere else.
    Small Town Boy
    21.Nov.2006 17:41 hrs
    In Germany, people with PhDs are well-respected. In the UK, the "get a real job" attitude is more prevelant -- i.e. practical experience counts for more, and understandably so in my opinion.
    interplanetjanet
    21.Nov.2006 17:46 hrs
    You mentioned that you want to do research. For this reason, and this alone, I say get a PhD. Most research-oriented jobs aren't even available to those without PhDs. Of course, that probably depends to some degree on what field you're in and what country you're in, but that's my experience when seeking a job in California.
    bucket06
    21.Nov.2006 18:13 hrs
    In Australia, in computer science and engineering, a PhD is a waste of time in terms of improving your employment prospects. You are only depriving yourself of years of good income. People in private enterprise with PhDs pretty much do the same work as those with just degrees. The PhD may give you a higher starting income, but the income lost in doing the PhD is far greater. A few years industry experience is far more valued than a PhD.

    Germans love PhDs because they are pretentious.

    If you are academically inclined do the PhD.
    il444
    21.Nov.2006 20:03 hrs
    What about companies operating worldwide like IBM, Microsoft, Google, etc. Do they value the title or professional experience? Does it depend on the country you are working in?
    Panama
    21.Nov.2006 20:09 hrs
    well, here in Germany, companies like IBM take a lot more into account a degree, but that's a general trend of the local market. A degree is a lot more important for them than experience. I guess, in general it will always be the same for large companies as for what the local trend is. Unless all management is handled from abroad, which is rarely the case in developed countries.
    sphinx
    21.Nov.2006 20:55 hrs
    In Australia a PhD is necessary to lecture in the University system and helps with research, but beyond that I would say it is viewed with suspicion by companies...which is pretty sad. There will be exceptions, but not many. They will view a few years eperience much more positively. After a few years of experience going back and doing a MBA will help you get into management. Any higher qualification is questioned.
    Dame Edna
    21.Nov.2006 21:12 hrs
    I agree with Sphinx. A PhD without a number of good years of work experience will not help you in the Australian business world, as opposed to the German market where PhD's are necessary to move into the senior ranks of large companies. Ziggi Switkowski was an exception to the rule. (PhD in Nuclear Physics, and CEO of Optus, Telstra and Chairman/MD at Kodak Australia)
    Yarra
    22.Nov.2006 11:05 hrs
    Dr. titles are over-rated. In Australia you are judged on your experience and ability to perform not how many letters come after your name. But if you really are interested in research and want to do a PhD - then go for it. Perhaps you could find a company that would allow you to do a PhD part-time.
    Roger H
    22.Nov.2006 11:26 hrs
    Generally the PhD qualification is a big waste of time - at the end of the day the only people impressed by it are those who don't work in the same field (and some German companies)... The financial benefit in most countries is zero to negative if you compare a person with a PhD to someone with a Bachelors or Masters of the same age. However, some research divisions only hire people with PhDs so if you really want to be involved in research it might be a necesary evil. Unfortunately Engineering and Sciences at Universities tend to be 5 to 15 years behind company research due to a) the high expense of scientific research and the closely guarded development secrets. If you really want a PhD try and get a company to sponsor it and do it with them (I know Bosch and others offer this) that way you get a PhD and work experience. Personally, in hindsight I'd rather take the experience or than a PhD.
    Elfenstar
    22.Nov.2006 12:57 hrs
    get a job! work 2 or 3 years then go back for a PhD if you really want. that's my intention. then you're more focused on school and you know what it's like in the real world. academia can be a black hole and difficult to get out of.
    it seems these days too many German graduates are going into a PhD to prolonge their RL (i can count 5 on one hand now and know numerosu from the past) then they get out, are way over 30, have no clue and are overqualified for most jobs.
    but as i understand it in germany, if you've got a good PhD position, you earn some good bucks. i know one guy doing his in computer science in Braunschweig and as i understood it, he's got a great take home pay.
    adrian_t
    25.Nov.2006 18:24 hrs
    If you want to work in research, say at the research wings of big companies like IBM, Microsoft etc. a PhD is required - take a look at their employment sites.

    On the other hand, if you want to get to the top of the coporate ladder in Germany, a PhD is also required - just take a look at the names on the executive board of any listed German company to convince yourself. Even mid-level managers and directors of smaller companies here very often have PhDs.

    If you go work now, you are unlikely to want to stop earning money again for the three years or so that you need to get a PhD, so you should probably be sure right now of what you want to do.

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